Pacquiao vs Marquez – Who Won The Rivalry?


This is Rummy’s Corner. There have been many awesome rivalries during
the long rich history of professional boxing. And in the last 15 years or so, the most famous among these
is certainly the epic rivalry between Manny Pac-Man Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez. To this day, fans are still engaged in heated
debate over any and all aspects of this fantastic quadrilogy. So who really won the rivalry between Manny
Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez? Aside from the fans, of course. In order to try and answer that question let’s
take a quick look back at all 4 of their bouts on a round by round basis. On May 8, 2004, at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas,
Nevada, lineal featherweight champion Manny Pacquiao squared off against the unified WBA/IBF
featherweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez. Things began with a feeling out process as
Pacquiao and Marquez were both trying to discover their range. Marquez found the mark with some nice rights
early. About halfway through the round, Pacquiao
drilled the champion with a laser left that sent Marquez down. Marquez beat the count, and Pacquiao started
firing off some menacing lefts, and Marquez was down again. The champion again beat the count, but he
looked badly dazed, and a relentless assault from the Pac-Man had Marquez down for the
3rd time. Marquez again bravely beat the count, and
he exhibited amazing heart as he survived the final 30 seconds of the round while being
tagged repeatedly by the bludgeoning left hand of Manny Pacquiao. I scored the 1st round 10-6 for Pacquiao,
as did judges Jutras and Stewart, whereas Clements strangely had it 10-7 for Pacquiao. In round 2, Pacquiao resumed firing off his
lethal left, as Marquez attempted to create more space to try and regain his composure. Many of Pacquiao’s lefts were still slipping
through, but Marquez was better positioned and better able to absorb them. As the round progressed, Marquez grew more
comfortable as he found a more suitable range, and he even started landing some nice leather
of his own. Pacquiao did the better work in this round,
but Marquez made several key adjustments that certainly disrupted Pacquiao’s rhythm and
momentum. I had the 2nd round 10-9 for Pacquiao, as
did Stewart and Clements, with Jutras scoring the round for Marquez. Marquez was doing a much better job neutralizing
Pacquiao’s attacks in round 3. Marquez also began landing some nice body
shots, and he began finding more success when throwing counter right hands. Pacquiao was trying to find openings for his
left, but Marquez wasn’t giving him the same windows of opportunity. There was a lot of posturing and positioning
and re-positioning, but Marquez was more effective, and the 3rd round concluded with a spirited
exchange! I scored the 3rd round for Juan Manuel Marquez,
as did all 3 of the official judges. Marquez continued his tactical success from
the previous round to begin the 4th, and he continued embracing his role as a patient
counter puncher. Pacquiao remained a little baffled, and he
was having trouble finding a worthy target because of the stellar positioning of Marquez. There wasn’t a lot of offense from either
guy in this round, but Marquez was still more effective and the fight was being fought at
a rhythm that was more to Marquez’s liking. I scored the 4th round for Marquez, as did
judges Jutras and Stewart, whereas Clements had the round for Pacquiao. Pacquiao’s offensive woes continued in round
5, as Marquez was very patient but with a purpose. Marquez continued digging some nice shots
to the body, and he rocked Pacquiao with a mean right hand. Pacquiao took it well and soon retaliated
with a wicked left, but Marquez absorbed it well. Some fireworks erupted late in the round,
and Marquez got the best of this heated exchange. Marquez appeared to be growing in confidence,
and Pacquiao was still struggling to re-establish his offensive groove. I scored round 5 for Marquez, as did all 3
of the official judges. Marquez continued making some nice investments
downstairs in round 6. Pacquiao landed a nice body shot of his own,
but Marquez fired back with a booming right hand that staggered Pac-Man. Marquez followed up with a short combination,
and by this point the momentum was clearly all Marquez as he began opening up with more
and more precise short combinations. Pacquiao was looking mighty confused as he
continued having difficulty creating openings on offense. I scored the 6th round for Marquez, and so
did all 3 of the official judges. So at the halfway point in the fight, I personally
had it 56-55 for Pacquiao. Burt Clements had it scored 57-55 for Pacquiao,
Guy Jutras had it 56-55 for Marquez, and John Stewart had it 56-55 for Pacquiao. Marquez picked up where he left off to begin
round 7. Marquez continued countering well, Pacquiao
continued struggling offensively, and Marquez began taking the initiative more often. Pacquiao did land a few nice lefts, but Marquez
took them well, and Marquez was still outboxing the Pac-Man and Marquez was still getting
the best of most of the exchanges. Pacquiao drilled Marquez with a flush left
at the end of the 7th, but Marquez still did the better work – even if Pacquiao had more
offensive success than he had in quite some time. I scored round 7 for Marquez, as did judges
Clements and Jutras, whereas Stewart had it for Pacquiao. The tactical chess match continued in the
8th, where Marquez continued embracing counterpunching tactics, as Pacquiao was trying to build on
his improved offensive effort the previous round. There wasn’t a whole lot of offense from either
boxer in this round, with both guys having some isolated spots of success. It was a very close round that was arguably
the most difficult round to score to this point. I still thought Marquez was slightly better,
so I scored the 8th for Marquez, but all 3 of the official judges scored this round for
Manny Pacquiao. In round 9, Marquez continued doing good work,
but Pacquiao began finding sneaky ways to land more shots. They weren’t devastating shots like he was
landing in the opening round, but they were still scoring shots that enabled Pacquiao
to disrupt Marquez’s momentum. Pacquiao was also exhibiting some better defensive
technique in this round, and he began frequently blocking incoming fire. Pacquiao even managed to land a snappy uppercut,
and he began using his jab more, which is something that had largely been absent. Pacquiao had finally made some of the necessary
tactical adjustments, and he was more successful because of it. I scored round 9 for Manny Pacquiao, as did
judge Stewart, whereas Jutras and Clements both had the round for Marquez. Pacquiao appeared to have a little extra bounce
in his step to begin the 10th. Marquez landed a nice counter right early
in the round, and Pacquiao landed a nice right hook. A heated exchange broke out that saw both
boxers having moments. But over the final stretch of the round, Pacquiao
was once again dialed in with his left hand, and he landed several clubbing speedy shots. It was another competitive round, but Pacquiao
was landing more and he was landing harder. I had round 10 for Pacquiao as did judges
Clements and Stewart, whereas Jutras had the 10th for Marquez. The 11th round was a tricky one to score. Things began tactically with both boxers looking
to strategically create openings. Marquez was doing a better job neutralizing
Pacquiao’s left early on, and this enabled Marquez to land some well timed short combinations. But Pacquiao started creating more openings
of his own later in the round, and Pacquiao was landing what appeared to be the heavier
shots. But Marquez was the one who seemed to be doing
better overall work during this particular 3 minute stretch. I had Marquez just edging round 11 on my card. Clements and Jutras also both scored the 11th
for Marquez, whereas Stewart had it for Pacquiao. In the 12th and final round, Pacquiao drilled
Marquez with a booming left early on, and Marquez soon fired back with a menacing right. It was another close competitive round where
Pacquiao and Marquez were both having moments, but I thought the left hands landed by Pacquiao
tended to be more effective than the sneaky right hands from Marquez. It was a tremendous show of heart and determination
from both boxers as they closed out the show in admirable fashion. I had Pacquiao edging the 12th and final round
on my card, but all 3 judges scored the final round for Marquez. At the end of the night the fight was officially
ruled a draw. Burt Clements scored it even at 113 apiece,
Guy Jutras scored it 115-110 for Juan Manuel Marquez, and John Stewart scored it 115-110
for Manny Pacquiao. I personally thought Pacquiao just edged it,
but I certainly thought it was close enough that it reasonably could have gone either
way, and the fact that the official judges were all over the place here – I believe this
is indicative of the fact that this one was a judging nightmare. On March 15, 2008, at the Mandalay Bay Resort
& Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada, WBC junior lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez put
his title on the line against challenger Manny Pacquiao. The action began tactically as both boxers
were looking to become reacquainted. There was a lot of mutual respect on display
with Pacquiao and Marquez both reluctant to overextend. Pacquiao was trying to jab more, and Marquez
got his attention with about a minute left in the opening stanza. Both boxers remained cool and patient, and
Pacquiao snuck in a nice left hand. It was a super close and competitive round
that reasonably could have been scored either way. I personally thought Marquez just edged it,
having landed the best punch of the round, but all 3 of the official judges scored the
round for Pacquiao. Pacquiao continued trying to jab his way inside
early in the 2nd. Marquez was also trying to lead at times,
and both boxers were very defensively aware. They were both sometimes missing just short
with efforts to counterpunch, and Marquez then found his target with a reaching right
hand. A nice exchange broke out where each guy was
sneaking in some well placed blows. And as the round was drawing near its conclusion,
Marquez drilled Pacquiao with a number of beautifully timed counters. I gave round 2 to Marquez, and all 3 official
judges did as well. Marquez caught Pacquiao with a quick counter
left fairly early in the 3rd. Pacquiao was still using his jab to try and
find openings for his left, and he was having some success with this. But Marquez soon walked Pacquiao into a booming
right hand. Pacquiao took it well, and he was committed
to trying to jab his way inside. As round 3 was winding down, Pacquiao clobbered
him with a beautiful short left. Marquez was down, and he appeared badly shaken. He made it to his feet, and Pacquiao tried
following up as the two traded furiously until the round was over, with Marquez almost going
down again. I scored the 3rd round 10-8 for Pacquiao,
as did all 3 of the official judges. Pacquiao appeared to have more confidence
as he went on the attack to start the 4th. Some nice little exchanges broke out early,
and Pacquiao was getting the best of them. Manny was also finding different ways to land
crisp left hands, and while Marquez was still having some effective spots, Pacquiao was
now winning the battle of tactics and executing more effectively. And this was largely due to the fact that
Pacquiao’s right hand was becoming a bigger factor in his strategy. I had round 4 for Manny Pacquiao, and all
3 of the official judges did too. Pacquiao was firing off his jab in round 5,
and while it wasn’t always landing, it was effectively disrupting Marquez’s rhythm. Pacquiao was having some nice moments, but
as the round progressed, Marquez began finding ways to counter more accurately. Pacquiao was still utilizing his right hand
well, and he was still finding ways to land sneaky left hands. Later in the round, Marquez drilled Pacquiao
with a beautiful right hand. And this was another super close competitive
round. But I thought Pacquiao did better work in
round 5. All 3 official judges, however, disagreed. They all scored the 5th for Marquez. Pacquiao landed a crunching left early in
the 6th, but Marquez soon retaliated with a stiff right. About a minute into the round, Marquez landed
another booming right that caught Pacquiao off guard. Marquez had appeared to make a subtle adjustment,
as he was soon finding new ways to land some hammering right hands. With Marquez’s newfound success with the right,
Pacquiao stopped using his own right hand the way he had been, and because of this,
Marquez was able to frequently create more favorable angles. I scored round 6 for Juan Manuel Marquez,
as did judge Roth. Miller and Ford both scored the 6th for Pacquiao. So at the halfway point in the contest, Tom
Miller and Duane Ford both had Pacquiao up 58-55, and Jerry Roth had Pacquiao up 57-56
which is also the same score that I had. In round 7 Marquez started throwing more lead
lefts both downstairs and up. Pacquiao was trying to work behind his jab
again, but Marquez was offsetting this by leading more often, especially with left hands. They were still both looking to create openings
for their respective money punches, but the tactical dynamics had shifted focus somewhat. An accidental clash of heads prompted referee
Kenny Bayless to briefly halt the action, and when action resumed, the peculiar shift
in strategies resumed, with Pacquiao trying to re-establish his right and Marquez trying
to gain traction with his left. Pacquiao’s right hand was winning this mini-battle,
but Marquez stood his ground and battled. It was another crazy close round. I thought Marquez edged it in round 7, and
all 3 of the official judges also scored it for Marquez. In round 8 Marquez resumed getting off first
with his left, and this was creating openings. Pacquiao was no longer using his right, and
Marquez began attacking ferociously. Not only was Marquez consistently getting
off first with his left, but he also began countering more effectively and walking Pacquiao
directly into traps. Marquez was exceptional in this round, and
with his left hand consistently being far more effective than Pacquiao’s right, Marquez
was able to easily dictate the action to his liking. Pacquiao was taking the shots well, and he
was still battling, but Marquez was outboxing him with authority. I scored round 8 for Marquez, as did all 3
of the official judges. The 9th began with Marquez getting off first
with a nice left. But Pacquiao was soon flicking out his right
jab again. They weren’t landing, but they were keeping
Marquez distracted. Before long, Pacquiao was using his right
to begin attacking more effectively, like he had been earlier. Marquez, however, was still getting off first
more often than not, even if Pacquiao was landing the better shots when he did land. Marquez did land a terrific right late in
the round, and this ignited a firefight that lasted to the bell. I thought Pacquiao edged it in round 9, although
it was very close. Judges Miller and Ford scored the 9th for
Marquez, and Roth scored the round for Pacquiao. Pacquiao landed a left hand bomb early in
round 10, and Marquez was hurt. Pac-Man went on the attack, but Marquez kept
cool under fire and quickly regained his composure. Pacquiao was patient and he didn’t overextend,
and he soon drilled Marquez with a sweet counter left. Marquez was still trying, but his attacks
were mostly ineffective, while Pacquiao was patiently finding ways to hit home with his
left. I scored round 10 for Manny Pacquiao, and
all 3 of the official judges also had it for Pacquiao. Marquez was warned by Bayless for a low blow
early in round 11, and after that, Marquez had reclaimed the tactical advantage. Marquez was very resourceful, and he was finding
all types of ways to land sharp right hands. Pacquiao landed a booming left late in the
round, but prior to that he wasn’t all that effective in the round. I had round 11 for Marquez, and all 3 of the
official judges also scored it for Juan Manuel. In the 12th and final round, both boxers understandably
looked exhausted. But Marquez was the one who seemed to have
that little something extra left in the tank. Marquez was consistently doing the better
work, and while Pacquiao did have some spots of success, Marquez was the one who commanded
most of the action in round 12. I scored the final round for Juan Manuel Marquez,
as did judges Miller and Roth, whereas Ford scored the final round for Manny Pacquiao. At the end of the night Manny Pacquiao was
awarded a split decision victory. Tom Miller scored it 114-113 for Pacquiao,
Duane Ford had it 115-112 for Pacquiao, and Jerry Roth had it 115-112 for Marquez. I personally thought Marquez just edged it
this time, but once again, I certainly thought it was close enough that it reasonably could
have gone either way. It was another absolute judging nightmare. On November 12, 2011, at the MGM Grand in
Las Vegas, Nevada, WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao defended his title against
Juan Manuel Marquez at a catch weight of 144 pounds. Things began tactically with both prizefighters
showing one another mutual respect. Pacquiao was trying to utilize his jab early
on, and Marquez was looking to establish his left. It was almost like a continuation of the battle
of lead hands we saw in the rematch. Pacquiao was using his right hand more frequently,
and it helped him establish some openings. It was a cautious beginning for both, but
Pacquiao did more in the opening round. I scored the 1st round for Pacquiao, as did
all 3 of the official judges. Things remained cautious and tactical in round
2. Marquez started countering more effectively
when Pacquiao threw, but both were still very selective with their offensive maneuvers. Pacquiao and Marquez were each trying to focus
some attention on the body, but Marquez was the one who seemed to be discovering a better
overall rhythm and he was boxing more effectively. I scored round 2 for Marquez, as did judge
Moretti, whereas Hoyle and Trowbridge scored it for Pacquiao. Round 3 started with a familiar pattern, as
both boxers were doing a lot of posturing as they studiously searched for favorable
punching angles. Marquez nailed Pacquiao with a sneaky uppercut,
and the intriguing battle for position resumed. They were both fighting very intelligently,
but Marquez was a touch more clever when it came to finding resourceful ways to land. And whenever Pacquiao did land, Marquez almost
always came back with something. Pacquiao landed a crisp counter as the round
drew towards its end, and the two traded until the final bell. I had round 3 for Marquez, but all 3 of the
official judges scored this round for Manny Pacquiao. Pacquiao began landing some sharper punches
early on in the 4th. Pacquiao was also finding ways to press his
speed advantage, but Marquez kept his cool. Juan Manuel started having better spots during
the later parts of the round, but Pacquiao neutralized most of his efforts. As the round was ending, the two boxers traded,
and Pacquiao snuck in two damaging blows. I scored round 4 for Manny Pacquiao, but all
3 of the official judges scored this one for Marquez. Marquez opened up with an attack early in
round 5, and Pacquiao was defensively sound. There weren’t a whole lot of sharp punches
being landed, but once again, Marquez was the one being just a little more clever when
it came to creating favorable angles. Pacquiao wasn’t using his jab much in this
round, which enabled Marquez to get off first whenever he found an open lane. And Marquez drilled Pacquiao with some well
timed shots late in the round. I had the 5th round for Marquez, as did all
3 of the official judges scoring the contest. The basic rhythm continued into round 6, with
a lot of feinting, a lot of posturing, a lot of maneuvering for position, and a brilliant
tactical clash of wills. Each boxer was having his spots of success. Marquez may have had a few more moments, but
Pacquiao’s moments tended to be more explosive. It was a super competitive round that reasonably
could have been scored either way. I myself thought Pacquiao edged it in round
6, and all 3 of the judges also scored the 6th for Pacquiao. So at the halfway point, Robert Hoyle and
Glenn Trowbridge both had it 58-56 for Manny Pacquiao, and judge Dave Moretti had it at
at 57 apiece, which is the same score I had midway through. The intellectual chess match resumed to begin
round 7, and early on Marquez delivered a mean right hand that nailed the mark. Whenever Pacquiao went on the attack, Marquez
was usually able to dance out of harm’s way with tremendous footwork. Marquez also was still finding ways to create
sneaky openings. Pacquiao was most effective when he worked
behind his jab, but far too often he was neglecting his right and allowing Marquez to get off
first. I scored round 7 for Marquez, as did all 3
of the official judges. Pacquiao continued looking perplexed throughout
the first half of round 8. Marquez wasn’t doing a whole lot offensively,
but what he was doing was far more effective. Marquez was very innovative in finding ways
to deliver well timed shots, and Pacquiao wasn’t using his jab effectively, or using
it much at all for that matter. Pacquiao did find a home for a nice left near
the end of the round, but Marquez was the one who was dictating the flow and he was
scoring more frequently. I scored round 8 for Marquez, as did judge
Hoyle, whereas Moretti and Trowbridge both scored it for Pacquiao. Marquez continued attacking more effectively
early in round 9, but then it was Pacquiao who began finding clever ways to land sneaky
shots. The two boxers exchanged more in this round,
and Pacquiao seemed to be getting the best of the back and forth. But Marquez stood his ground strong, and continued
having his own spots of success. It wound up being another razor thin super
close round. I scored round 9 for Manny Pacquiao, as did
Moretti and Trowbridge, while Hoyle scored the 9th for Marquez. The intensity level remained high in round
10. Both boxers were looking a little fatigued,
but both were still displaying world class determination in this tactical engagement. There were some heated exchanges in the round,
but both boxers were beginning to miss wider off the mark in the midst of battle. This was yet another competitive round with
very little separating the two prizefighters. I thought Pacquiao edged it in the 10th round,
as did judges Moretti and Trowbirdge. Hoyle scored round 10 for Marquez. Things began slowly and cautiously early in
round 11, but things soon heated up where the round was defined by a series of separate
short exchanges. Sometimes Pacquiao seemed to get the best
of these moments, and other times it was Marquez who seemed to be working more effectively. Neither Pacquiao nor Marquez was consistently
punching as sharply as they had been earlier, but they were both still finding ways to land
on the target. I thought Marquez edged it in round 11, and
Moretti also scored the round for Marquez. Hoyle and Trowbridge scored the 11th for Pacquiao. In the 12th and final round, Manny Pacquiao
was the one who seemed to have a greater sense of urgency. He was throwing more punches, and while he
wasn’t overly effective, he was still landing some shots. Marquez was embracing defensively oriented
tactics, and while he did open up with some decent shots here and there, Pacquiao was
outhustling him down the final stretch of the contest. I scored round 12 for Manny Pacquiao, as did
Hoyle and Moretti, whereas Trowbridge had the 12th round for Marquez. At the end of the night Manny Pacquiao was
awarded a majority decision victory. Robert Hoyle had it even at 114 apiece, Dave
Moretti had it 115-113 for Pacquiao, and Glenn Trowbidrge scored it 116-112 for Pacquiao. I personally thought this one was a draw,
and yet again, I certainly thought it was close enough that it reasonably could have
gone either way, or indeed have been ruled a draw. It was yet another absolute judging nightmare. On December 8, 2012, at the MGM Grand in Las
Vegas, Nevada, Manny Pacquiao and career rival Juan Manuel Marquez would meet yet again for
the fourth battle in their epic rivalry. Both boxers began the 4th contest a bit more
aggressively than they had during their previous encounter. Pacquiao was the one who was especially more
aggressive, and while both boxers were having some early spots of success, Pacquiao was
more energetic with his attacks. Pacquiao was also keeping his attacks short,
and managing to dart out of harm’s way before Marquez could try and counter. As the round drew towards a close, Pacquiao
caught Marquez with a nice counter of his own. I scored the opening round for Pacquiao, as
did all 3 of the official judges. Things began with a more tactical and deliberate
rhythm in round 2, but Pacquiao was still busier and he was still effectively attacking
in ways that minimized Marquez’s countering opportunities. Marquez started landing a little better in
this round, but Pacquiao was still controlling the action and executing better. I scored round 2 for Pacquiao, and all 3 judges
did as well. In round 3 Pacquiao continued being busier
and more effective, as he was simply throwing more and landing more. Pacquiao was fighting with a great level of
intensity and a heightened sense of determination. A bit past the halfway point in the round,
Marquez flicked out his left before delivering a thunderous right hand that drove Pacquiao
down to the canvas. Pacquiao quickly managed his way back to his
feet. Marquez remained cool and collected, and patiently
went back to business, where he was boxing well and landing some nice crisp shots. Pacquiao seemed to have cleared his head over
the last 30 seconds and the round ended with both men trading. I scored the 4th round 10-8 for Juan Manuel
Marquez, as did all 3 of the official judges scoring the contest. Round 4 began with Marquez getting off first
more often than not. Pacquiao countered him with a sweet left hand,
and Pacquiao was trying to beat Marquez to the punch. But now it was Marquez who was generally throwing
more and landing more. It was a solid bounce back round for Manny
after suffering the knockdown, but Marquez was more effective in the 4th. I scored round 4 for Marquez, as did all 3
of the official judges. Both boxers were looking to re-establish command
of the range early in round 5. Marquez and Pacquiao were both testing the
waters with their jabs, and there was a lot of feinting and posturing as each was trying
to trigger a mistake to exploit in the other. About a minute into the round, Pacquiao buzzed
Marquez with a superbly timed left hand. Marquez touched the canvas so referee Kenny
Bayless began his count. When action resumed Marquez landed a monster
right that Pacquiao took well. Then a firefight broke out with both guys
swinging for the fences. And they both landed some absolutely menacing
shots! Pacquiao had Marquez hurt again late in the
round, but Marquez somehow managed to hold on until the end of the round. I scored the 5th round 10-8 for Manny Pacquiao,
and all 3 of the official judges also had it 10-8 for Pacquiao. Things began tactically in round 6. Both boxers were cautiously feeling things
out, and Pacquiao was patient as Marquez seemed to have his legs back under him. Pacquiao soon unleashed a furious attack where
he landed some nice punches. Pacquiao continued attacking ferociously and
Marquez began absorbing some serious punishment. But Pacquiao never overexerted himself, and
Marquez started finding isolated spots to unload. As round 6 was drawing towards an end, Pacquiao
began getting aggressive, and Marquez walked him right into a monster right. Pacquiao was down, and he would not be beating
the count. The fight was over. It was a 6th round knockout for Juan Manuel
Marquez. What I personally love so much about this
rivalry is how it evolved over the course of 8 plus years. The first fight basically boiled down to Pacquiao’s
offensive explosiveness and Marquez’s outstanding abilities as a counterpuncher. It was Pacquiao’s dynamite left vs Marquez’s
quick counter right. And then at some point during their 2nd contest,
the main dynamic seemed to evolve into a battle of lead hands, where Pacquiao’s right was
the key to setting up his left, and Marquez’s left was a key to creating openings for his
right. That changing dynamic continued into their
3rd fight, where the tactical chess match had now elevated into a new level of mastery. And then the 4th fight, you still have a tactical
aspect at the foundation of it all, but both of these guys were really looking to hurt
the other with loaded up punches! It was just a spectacular evolution of such
an already inherently intriguing clash of styles. When you look back at these 4 amazing matches
very little separated these 2 boxers. The first fight was a controversial draw,
that very reasonably could have been scored either way, or indeed a draw. The second fight was a split decision victory
for Pacquiao, and again, this very reasonably could have been scored either way, or indeed
perhaps a draw. The third fight was a majority decision victory
for Pacquiao, where yet again, it could very reasonably have been scored either way or
even a draw. And then even the 4th fight – all 3 judges
had Pacquiao ahead by 1 point after 5 rounds. It’s interesting to note that all 3 judges
had the rounds exactly the same in this one, and I agreed with them across the board. So in that sense, the 4th fight, ironically,
seemed like the easiest one to score of the bunch. The one fight that didn’t need to go to the
scorecards. I personally thought Pacquiao just edged it
in their 1st bout, and then I thought Marquez just edged it in the rematch, and in the 3rd
fight I personally had it a draw. So going into the 4th fight, I had them 1-1-1
against each other – dead even! So in my eyes with that 4th fight, Marquez
just edged the series if you go fight by fight. However, I’m not a judge, and officially,
Pacquiao won the rivalry. Pacquiao has 2 wins, 1 loss, and 1 draw. So statistically speaking, Pacquiao factually
won the rivalry. But on a deeper level, considering how little
separated these two boxing masters over the course of 42 competitive rounds, I think the
definitive conclusion is that Marquez put an exclamation point on the rivalry by scoring
that epic 6th round knockout! In other words, Pacquiao may have officially
won the rivalry in the record books, but that 1 lone definitive victory in the group of
4 – I think that tells the real story here. In an all time sense, Pacquiao definitely
rates higher than Marquez. I don’t think there is any question that Pacquiao’s
overall body of work in his long and illustrious career is superior to the outstanding body
of work for Juan Manuel Marquez. But it’s almost ironic that for Marquez, his
entire early career he was living in the shadows of guys like Erik Morales and Marco Antonio
Barrera – two powerhouse all time greats in their own rights. And after Pacquiao won his respective rivalries
with both El Terrible and the Baby Faced Assassin – Marquez ultimately found himself in a situation
where he would be the one who became their conqueror’s ultimate nemesis. And the way the styles of Pacquiao and Marquez
clashed, it was nothing short of sublime. It’s as if the Boxing Gods blessed the boxing
fans and said these two guys are going to act like each other’s Kryptonite, and you
get to watch them go to battle 4 times! And the Boxing Gods further blessed us fans
when Joe Cortez decided not to stop the 1st fight after Marquez suffered
his 3rd knockdown in their very 1st round of action. Nobody would have blamed Cortez if he waved
that one off after that 3rd knockdown – and if he did that, chances are strong they may
never have fought again. Think of what we would have been cheated out
of. At the end of the day, it was an amazing rivalry
where the big winner was us boxing fans. Thanks for watching everyone, and a special
thanks to the Nevada State Athletic Commission for helping me secure the scores from the
4th fight. Hope you enjoyed watching everyone and have
a wonderful night! This is Rummy’s Corner.

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  1. T2Guev Murcia

    marquez ended the rivalry with an exclaimation point to win his way, but basing it in the number of rounds won and intensity of the blows delivered, I still have paquiao edging all of the quadrology. Eventhough this cant shake paquiao's placement as the best boxer in the world. the PACMAN WON!

  2. Manuel Ramos

    Every great boxer found his Kryptonite, From Ali to Mike Tyson. Marquez of course overall is not as successful as Pacquiao, but is and will be remembered as Pacquiao Kryptonite. Those who say Pac is better cannot comprehend why is 4 fights he couldn't put Marquez away for good, when Marquez did.

  3. A Black And White Love Story

    Pac got the better of marquez. Asked marquez for a 5th fight and ran away from millions. Meanwhile, marquez cried robbery in every pacquiao fight and was rematched every time…smdh

  4. mark uy

    How is your clip on round 8 be jmm when mp doing his counter punch on the round even in your short clips of it and connecting i respect you though just pinpointing things

  5. mark uy

    NOPE I HIGHLY DISAGREE NON AMERICA DID BLAME THE REF BUT HAS TO DEAL WITH IT BUT IT IS A BLESSING TO HAVE THESE FIGHTS BUT LET US NOT SUGARCOAT THAT WE JUST DID DEAL WITH THAT UNCALLED DECISION SUPPOSEDLY BECAUSE IF MP GOT THE KO VICTORY VS JMM IN MATCH 1 THEN THEY ARE EVEN ON THAT AND OFFICIALLY MP WON ALL 3 TRILOGY

  6. leonile de belen

    Juan Manuel Marquez is coward to face Manny Pacquiao
    ..because He might be knockdown too.and the REST of MEXICO..
    JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ
    The RUNNING AWAY coward.
    HE's ALIBI?
    RETIREMENT

  7. soaroy

    manny pacquiao of course. marquez can't knockout pacquiao w/o taking PED. his strength improved when the controversial PED wizard Memo Heredia worked with him as conditioning coach. Memo Heredia is chemist who makes PED's that can't be detected on drug test. Before Heredia worked with him, marquez was taking a different kind of PED called PEE

  8. John D

    I had pacquiao winning the first 3 fights and marquez on the 4th, but like other people say the first 3 was a close fight but still pacquiao slightly edged marquez on all three fights but marquez had a sensational knockout on the last fight, so I'd say nobody won the rivalry, both of them are equal.

  9. Kristine Miles

    The style of pacquiao is perfect for Marquez.. I've got pacquiao 1 and 2 .. And I think Marquez win 3.. But I hate the fact that Marquez cheats in their last fight.

  10. Andres Jaime

    Márquez was going to b voted or declare fighter of the year but rumors has the Marquez in the last fight against use prohibited 🚫 substances before the last fight against Pacquiao Marquez went back to his ex trainer who was suspended for providing his Fighters with illegal substances

  11. Jezumi Ayase

    Pacquiao gave favor after favor for Marquez when he wants rematch but then when it's Pacquiao turns to ask for a rematch marquez just quit.. like a kid punching and then running home for daddy..

  12. Pedro Aguirre

    pacquiao is better than him in side and outside the ring, and until now in 2019 pacquiao is still on top of him and always will be, manny is the goat right now, manny's legacy is Greater

  13. Arthur Louis III Ucat

    Filipino here.My respect to marquez for being so eager to fight pacman and not giving up until he wins the fight. A true champion and challenger. He may look and sound hating pacman but he also respects pacman so does the pac respects him. At first i can't understand his desires on fighting pacman but then i realize its all about respect not about the title but respect. A salute to this two champs…..

  14. M.Jonar Dylan

    Marquez is Pacquiao's nemesis. So much respect for this Mexican fighter who has a lion heart. Was knocked down so many times but always stood up on his feet. 0 knockout losses

  15. rehab paddler

    Its a tie… Thats Why they need the 5th fight. Pacquiao won 1st and 2nd fight. Marquez won the 3rd (i honestly thought MP lost this fight), 4th.

  16. Lance L

    Pacquiao won by numbers as a trilogy. winning the first three even though Marquez gave him a hard time. The fourth is the only Marquez won and is questionable too due to his conditioning coach. Why would you hire a known PED giver coach? If he didn't do that, there's no more speculations and doubt that he won the fourth fight fair and square. Pacquiao was always the natural better athlete and fighter. Marquez just happened to have the style that gives Pacquiao a hard time.

  17. TheSquad4life

    Not sure why this is a question, you fight a guy a few times and it’s razor close then you sleep him to hell and heaven … mmmh you won the rivalry

  18. HerNick07

    Styles makes fights. Pacquiao is clearly the greater fighter but Marquez matched up very well with Pacquiao. Great rivalry. Marquez wins the rivalry while Pacquiao wins the legacy. One of the greatest to do it all time.

  19. clipside

    this is what we say in boxing as styles makes fights… marquez style was really difficult to match to deal with by pacquiao… but you can never say that marquez was the better boxer between the two;… because you know pacquiao achieved way a lot more and had a better legacy than marquez

  20. Smooth Criminal

    The rivalry is there for sure.. But for me the one who really won the rivalry is the one who made it far and more successful. Putting the losses aside. So Pacquiao for me wins in a very wide margin against Marquez. Besides, comparing all those other great Mexican boxers in their time Morales and Barrera who don't need a win over Pacquiao but still secured their legacy as greats. While Marquez badly needs a win over Pacquiao in order to be in that circle. And in my own opinion, rematch specially more than twice is a gift. Pacquiao could have declined any chances of rematch with Marquez if he wanted to. But like a real legend. He is so generous to give all the chances to Marquez to beat him. Not to mention, after the 4th fight when it was Pac who asked for a rematch. Marquez didn't give it.

    So it's not even a contest.. Pacquiao wins in all areas

  21. bestnoypigeyms

    best rivals. marquez got the final seconds for the finishing blow. if not he lose the fight, because that is his final round said the doctor. is it right?

  22. Vikas chysy

    the fourth fight knock out was not the END for PACQUIAO… coz he call out Marquez for the FIFTH match but where was RUN AWAY Marquez.
    PAC WON – 2
    MAR WON – 1
    ONE MACTCH- DRAW
    FIFTH MATCH- Only pacman stood
    Though the rivalry was competitive yet i personally thought that the rivalry between them was hardly WON by PACMAN.
    Both PACQUIAO and MARQUEZ are pound 4 pound
    all time greatest boxers of all time. Respected and love to both fighters from India.

  23. Ely Cruz

    Only Marquez can stand toe to toe against Pacman power and speed in his prime, imagine the different weight classes they went through, one of the best rivalries in boxing , lot of respect for Marquez, the one who took down the "Mexicutioner", his countrymen and co-mexican boxers surely indebted in him, they see him as a hero.

  24. Robin Castillo

    Marquez cannot even become a welterweight champion or superwelterweight champion,pacquiao is very far better than marquez,8 weight division champ vs only 4 weight division champ? I don't think so dude

  25. Stuart Sutton

    I personally had marquez winning all 4. After the first round of their first fight marquez completely outboxed manny. 2nd and 3rd fights were very close and a draw in both would not of been a bad decision but personally i thought marquez just edged both. And the 4th was crystal clear. Great fights

  26. Flying Filipino

    You really can’t argue against face plant KO. So I’d say Juanma wins the war. But 50 years from now people will still be talking about Mannys greatness and Marquez will just be a footnote boxing history.

  27. Thanjo Moto-Vlog

    The best way is pacquiao vs marquez 5 😂!! Becouse according to marquez he likes to back on the ring. He misse to box again what do you think guys😊? Old vs old legent vs lent come on legent who really won at the final era😡? do this again pacman vs marquez 5👊😂!!

  28. Michael Woods

    Very insightful analysis. Well done. Marquez deserves to be more out of the shadows than he's become. He was an elite boxer in his own right. These were some of the most exciting fights I've ever seen. I'm a Pac-fan – but give JMM his due. He was a world champion in 4 weight classes and 9 world championships. He was no slouch. Their styles were perfectly matched for each other. These guys were both delivering master classes in boxing. Awesome.

  29. Gee Now

    Marquez won like a kid never to be seen again after he felt like he had the last laugh.. but the fact remains that he's a cheat juice head coward. Marquez is/was a steroid boy, he was so desperate that he would do anything to beat pacquiao. Not to mention, drink his own piss.. STEROID BOY MARQUEZ!!!!!!!!!

  30. Dereck Mejia

    I had pac winning fight 1. Jmm winning the following 3. Could have gave pac man the third fight. Bc jmm took his foot off the gas I believe he didnt bc he thought he won the fight already and it back fired

  31. dian atriv

    if Marquez take the 5th rematch and he win maybe they are draw..but not because Marquez is scared and he know it's just a lucky punch..if you are confidently champion you will take any fight without any hesitation.

  32. Jesus Tosim

    TRUTH THAT PEOPLE DID NOT KNOW " MARQUEZ NEVER WIN AGAINST PACMAN "!! MARQUEZ TEAM PLAN IS TO FIND SOLUTION NOMATTER HOW?? 3RD FIGHT " TEAM MARQUEZ ALREADY USED PED'S BUT? Marquez still lose " in 4thfight they double the PED'S by memo" then? DRINK HIS OWN URINE? OR PEE TO COVER UP DOUBLE "PED'S "
    PROOF " ???
    # 1 MARQUEZ BODY BECOMES HULK?? AT THE TIME PAST HIS PRIME" AT THE AGE OF ALMOST 39+ MASTERS OF PED'S MEMO H.
    # 2 MARQUEZ HAS MASSIVE ACNE ALL OVER HIS BODY & FACE "!!!! W.T.F.?? AT THE AGE OF ALMOST 40 "
    # 3 HIRING THE MOST KNOWED PED'S MASTER MEMO H.
    # 4 PACMAN MAINTAIN HIS BODY AND POWER? BUT? MARQUEZ 3TIMES POWERFULL LIKE HULK"!! PROOF IS THE FIRST KNOCK DOWN" THAT MARQUEZ CANNOT DO IN 36 ROUNDS ON HIS PRIME "
    I WILL REPEAT IT AGAIN??????????? IN MARQUEZ P.R.I.M.E." HE CANNOT MAKE A SINGLE KNOCKDOWN "
    # 5 MARQUEZ VOID THE BIGGEST MONEY" 100M IN 5TH FIGHT WHY ???????? BECAUSE HE DON'T HAVE A CHANCE " TO USE PED'S "
    # 6 ANOTHER PROOF??????
    NEXT FIGHT OF MARQUEZ?? IS BRADLEY?? WITH OUT PED'S MARQUEZ BECOMES IDIOT? WITH OUT PED'S BRADLEY ONLY TOY'ED HIM? IN WHOLE 12 ROUNDS " AND LOSE "
    # 7 WHILE? PACMAN'S CAME FROM THAT DEVASTATING K.O. THAT NO ONE EXPERTS BELIEVE PACMAN CAN SURVIVE "!!
    JEJEJE "!!! HAHAHA "!!!
    PACMAN WON AGAIN USING HIS NATURAL SKILLS IN BOXING " THEN KEEP ON WINNING "& BECOMES A CHAMP AGAIN LATEST IS HE BEAT THURMAN JEJEJEJEJE "!!! WHILE MARQUEZ??? KEEP ON DREAMING?? THAT HE IS BETTER THAN PACMAN?? JEJEJEJEJE "!!!! PACMAN IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIMES " WHILE MARQUEZ HAS SO MANY PROOF IN SOCIAL MEDIA " KNOWED AS A CHEATER PED'S USER "!!! DONE…….

  33. Remi Burrell

    These breakdowns are amazing it’s truly turned boxing from something I watched from time to time into something that’s marked on my calendar.

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